Ashley Judd Is De-Lovely
Ever since Ashley Judd first came to the public’s attention as the
fiercely independent Ruby Lee Gissing in Ruby in Paradise and as Val
Kilmer’s loyal gun moll in Heat, her star has only risen. The nonsinging
member of the family that includes country chanteuses Naomi and Wynonna,
Judd has become one of the go-to actresses for action roles, displaying a
tough vulnerability in films like Kiss the Girls and this year’s
Twisted, while demonstrating a lighter touch in more romantic fare, such
as Someone Like You and Divine Secrets of the Ya-Ya Sisterhood. Two years
ago, she set the screen ablaze when she danced a sinuous tango with Salma
Hayek in Frida.
But for the past year, it has been a particular type of part that has
occupied Judd’s time: that of the straight woman married to a gay man.
She recently concluded a lengthy run on Broadway as the frustrated Maggie
the Cat in a revival of Tennessee Williams’ Cat on a Hot Tin Roof. Now,
in Irwin Winkler’s De-Lovely, she plays Linda Lee Porter, songwriter
Cole Porter’s wife of 35 years. This musical biopic, which co-stars
Kevin Kline as Porter, portrays a stormy marriage roiled by Cole’s many
infidelities; but it also pictures a devoted couple, with Linda acting as
her husband’s best friend and muse.
It was De-Lovely that recently brought Judd to San Francisco’s
Ritz-Carlton Hotel. With her legs tucked beneath her, her cocker spaniels
Shug and Buttermilk on her lap, and a pot of gunpowder green tea beside
her, her poise mirrored that of her character as she sat down to talk to
"On Q" about the Porters and her new role in adding to their
legend.
Q: How did you put yourself in the shoes of this woman who desperately
loves a man she can never have completely because of his sexual
orientation?
Ashley Judd: Well, I think understanding that is contingent upon
knowing that Linda was seriously abused during her first marriage and was
actually basically tortured. My understanding is that it just became a
relief to have a sustaining and nurturing, really important intimate
relationship with someone who didn’t love her for sex.
Q: What about Linda’s own sexuality?
AJ: In some of the biographies are allusions to rumors that Linda
herself was gay—on occasion. But, interestingly enough, all of those
comments were by people who didn’t like her.
Q: There is one line in the movie that seems to imply that she might be
gay.
AJ: I think it’s an excellent double entendre, because the fact of
the matter is that we’re talking about people who are deceased. Even if
they were living, they would never tell, because that wasn’t their
style. So the line, "Let’s just say you like [men] more than I
do," covers all the bases. Personally, my take is that sex [for her]
was just a bad place with a lot of bad memories, but if we all get to Cole
Porter heaven someday and find out that Linda was gay, we were accurate
there, too.
Q: Do you think she would be happy with this film, given how much she
tried to cover up Cole’s homosexuality?
AJ: Linda was ahead of her time and I think she would be happy with the
film, because it is a terrific celebration of Cole Porter’s genius. In
terms of the personal side of their story, I think it’s abundantly clear
how much they loved each other. You know, he never finished a song without
her approval. It didn’t matter whom he was collaborating with or who was
singing it; until he ran it by Linda and she said it was up to snuff, it
wasn’t finished. And as she predicted, after they amputated his leg, he
never wrote again—this from a man who wrote 800 songs, one in the time
it took to ride from the ground floor to his apartment in the elevator.
They had a really special relationship.
Q: How familiar were you with the Cole Porter story before you started
this?
AJ: Not at all. I think I had an image of him in a top hat and tails.
Q: Have you watched the highly bowdlerized Cary Grant version of their
story, Night and Day?
AJ: No, just like I don’t read the tabloid bullshit about my own
family. That’s propaganda. That movie was propaganda, just like so much
of the stuff about us is mythology.
Q: Speaking of tabloids, what did you learn about celebrity, even
before you were a celebrity, just from your mother and sister?
AJ: That it has absolutely no value whatsoever. I think that the one
thing that was valuable that I learned was money doesn’t buy you
happiness. I don’t consider myself a celebrity. I’m an actor, period.
All that other stuff is for the birds, and I think our country is
absolutely sick with this putrid fascination and invasion of privacy. It’s
so vile. And I don’t look at it and I never will—except to sue
[laughs], when I can.
Q: Your mother and sister are famous for their singing, and now you’ve
taken a role in which you are required to sing. Did you have any
trepidation about that aspect of the role, because of your family?
AJ: Well, if I worried about being judged, I wouldn’t be an actor. I
didn’t consider it a singing role; I thought it was a role that had a
very modest piece of singing that was not a performance type thing. It was
very simple and domestic. I have a healthy enough ego to think I have a
very good voice, but on the day, I was very apprehensive and fairly
miserable, actually. I didn’t really enjoy it and was not as prepared as
I should have been.
Q: Why were you miserable?
AJ: I just don’t have any confidence. Ego does not equal confidence—I
discovered that! [laughs]
Q: Did you get any advice from your sister or your mother?
AJ: I did not, and I should have. [laughs] I thought I would have time
in London with the music supervisor, but I didn’t. He had his hands more
than full. He was scoring and arranging the songs. He was conducting and
dealing with all the performers who came in and out throughout the entire
shooting schedule. Kevin, on a daily basis, was, you know, killing him
with his neurosis about something or another.
Q: Are you happy with that part of your performance?
AJ: Well, [arranger] Stephen [Endelman] thinks it’s great. He thinks
it’s so wonderful. I know...I could’ve done better, but it is what it
is.
Q: All the double meanings in the music are used to such great effect
in the storytelling. That unconventional structure, as Cole watches his
life unfold like one of his own musicals, complete with Cole Porter score—was
that written into the original script?
AJ: Cole gave us that, that was inherent in the wit and the
intelligence and the naughtiness of his lyrics. He was always trying to
put one over on people.
Q: Has this movie put you on a Cole Porter kick?
AJ: I love Cole Porter. I love that music so much. I would love to get
Ella Fitzgerald Sings the Cole Porter Songbook, because I have her doing
Johnny Mercer and the Gershwins. I’m crazy about him.
Pam Grady is a San Francisco-based writer who also contributes to
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